~hello all , im new to this TRIBE, and really dont know tht much , b8ut I grew up in a really heavt relgiuos family and live in the bible belt, where they hit oyu over the head of you dont believe in their way, I must say in some way that I have come to some realization that Im on a journey of self awareness!! Im not sure what all this means or what im feeling , but about 6 months ago , its all started with a one thing and then lead to another and etc.. ANd ever since then I have been on a self journey of truth and love and a cosmic conneted feeling with universe as one . I feel really like the truth have been revealed!! For years i have reseached many cultures and beliefs and so fascinated and always been somewhat connected to a big puzzle that I have to put together.. Is this a journey for men or what is self awarness , and i have told people this and I feel a differnet way of believing and people think im crazy , and say TRUST IN THA LORD AND I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THIS ALL!!!! plz help me understand this!!!!! thx to you all!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: SO, confused...
Sun, December 30, 2007 - 4:47 PMOh my god, so sweet.
I'm sure many people will jump on you now to tell you what is right and what is not.
The search for truth or the essence of your being is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO
for it is all that there is.
Don't let anybody whoever it is TELL you what to do or what to think.
The man that gives a fuck.
www.taroscopes.com/webstrea...page.html
all you see or hear is a metaphor so don't read too deep into Michaels work.. just take what you need. And burn the evidence.
That letter you wrote is so pure and perfect.
It doesn't mean that Christianity is wrong from the roots. But just that it has been abused and sold and basically spiritually murdered over the molded and manipulated history of man kind.
best for you
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Sun, December 30, 2007 - 9:36 PMhey thanks for the reply and the link , I havestuck to my thoughts and beliefs, ij ust think that we are trained to do what we are told to do from birth and following others foot steps, has made me some what (LIKE I SEE THINGS) see that people are like puupets in to falling in the way of society! ANd i have this energy and passion feeling like i belong to the earth and stars , and a cosmic connection , loving history and its beauty !!! ANd i have researched the Liek you say: abused over time from man kind of christianity,! ih ave had so much information and keys come to me in short months!! Once i sat back and realized truth and an (AWAKENING IF YOU WILL) its just seems a enligthment of somekind .I know people talk about it al the time on tribe, but its all new to me !! thx KRIS for your reply I most certainly will not let anyone tell me what to think or do , because that used to be the way i was-letting family and friends discourage my feelings and seeing way of things. thankyou !kri -
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Sat, January 12, 2008 - 7:38 PMCareful Amada ...
Careful. I've discovered that they don't call it "Spirituality" for nothing.
"God is a spirit"
"Angels are spirits" (all of them ... and the journey to comprehend them takes a lifetime in itself!!)
Buddhist are all over the place as far as cosmology. May I suggest that you start with some of the great thinkers from the West first? Then gradually walk East?
Mathew Fox is a pure treasure. He was a Dominican Priest who taught at the College of Holy Names (in the California Bay Area) for years. But he kept advocating for change in the status of women in the Catholic Church. The now dead Pope finally agreed to change and ex-communicated him. Freed him. He is still a powerful man of God ... of Spirituality ... but he has some fantastic, books that link the East and the West. A couple I highly recomend are:
1. "Blessings of the flesh, sins of the Spirit" (He turned it around ... uses the Yoga Chakras to speak to Western Spirituality.
2. "The Physics of Angels"
I've discovered that whenever you have a Monk and Nun tradition ... be it Catholic or Buddhist ... you're going to have some deep spiritual revelations unfold. But you should get guides ... teachers that'll help you handle whatever it is that you're meant to learn.
"Be still and hear My Voice" ... awesome. Awe ... Awe ... Awe ....
"To every level (you rise) there is another Devil." Once you start reading and meditating, you'll read the Bible in an entirely different way. And you'll actually get excited about it! (smile)
Read Thomas Merton. Awesome ...
A POWERFUL Monk who died during a conference of Catholic and Buddhist Monks in Thailand. He went to pull an electric fan out of the wall one afternoon and the electical current went through the palm of one hand and out the palm of another. Read some of what he teaches in:
1. "A comptemplative Prayer" It's a guide that teaches younger monks to pray ... Mindfully. Keep it with you when you enter a Buddhist sit. If you have a deep Christian background and you still hold to it, but you're called to research other traditions and spiritual paths ... then may I suggest ... from personal experience ... that you honor the room and the practice ... but do NOT bow to the statue ... and never, never pray to Buddha.
Buddhism is a beautiful tool. It changes whenever it enters another country. Just slightly. Zen that comes out of Japan is very different than the opra of Tibetan Buddhism. But it's so big that it allows room for all.
2. Merton's most popular book was: "Seven Story Mountain." Good read.
And last ... even though he is very controversial ... and he's also an aethiest ... and he comes at Buddism "Without beliefs" (in it too) ... Stephen Batchelor is a very great scholar. I love his work. Somewhere in your journey, please pick up an old copy of:
"Living With The Devil" In it he researches and explains ... from a Western view ... both Satan and Mara. He unfolds the meaning of "The Devil's Circle"
Ram Das ... before his death ... said: "Somewhere in your spiritual journey you'll encounter dis-embodied beings. Some are wise and some are not." Dear Amanda... you already have. Trust me. But enter without fear ... for yours is a special and wonderful calling. You will be blessed. But do not go alone ... and be wary of "teachers" without virtue in their own personal lives.
The next steps will change you. The sooner you take them ... the better. That's all I can possibly say. I'm still learning. And the other poster was right ... we can only make sugguestons about the tools .... it's YOUR journey ... and YOUR awakening. Just don't try to go it alone.... and remember ... you are not creating ... nor re-creating the wheel. It's been there ... long before we were.
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Re: SO, confused...
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 5:40 AMAmanda - what are you doing next Saturday?
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Fri, February 29, 2008 - 11:20 AMfirst, at least from where i see it, no one has an exclusive on God, truth, call it what you will. anyone who makes such a claim run, don`t walk to the nearest door. i have had intense manifestations, experiences, call them what you will , through our Western religion and through Eastern spiritual ways. so i know that God reveals himself in both and many more. i choose an Eastern path but some of the bible beaters teachings are so beaten into me that uninvited they still haunt me and cloud my thinking unless i get extra "firm" with them but you know what they say about old habits. seems "teachings" have nothing in common with "living truth". see it another way perhaps, i`m blind from birth and you are trying to make me understand the color blue, now add another twist. that being that you too have never seen the color blue. so it is with almost all of those who would teach us. our search doesn`t have a goal, or a place to arrive at but rather is poorly described as a process, an opening of our eyes to intuition beyond all understanding, to living liquid joy and yet the dance goes on, ever new revelations revealing us to ourselves
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Sat, March 1, 2008 - 12:42 AMom
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Re: SO, confused...
Tue, March 11, 2008 - 1:05 AMHello Amanda,
If I had anything worth sharing, It is that everything is an expression of God.
Could I write this sentence were it not for God.
Could the devil do any works, were it not for God.
I trust that I have always been supported and always will
despite my fragmented and wavering perspectives.
The more you release, the less anything can hold you.
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Tue, March 11, 2008 - 7:03 AMReligion is like astrology. Bunk. -
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Thu, March 13, 2008 - 6:13 AMThis is to say, you can own your own sense of "spirit" without needing to rely on any man-made interpretations of "god." -
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Fri, March 14, 2008 - 10:15 PM...that all the esoteric teachings throughout the ages basically point to the same thing... From my own personal experiences I would confer... Weather it be Gnostic Christianity, Taoism, Sufism, Buddhism, ect... A great Oneness is always the conclusion... Hinduism for example...
"Brahman (nominative brahma ब्रह्म) is a concept of Hinduism. Brahman is the unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe. The nature of Brahman is described as transpersonal, personal and impersonal by different philosophical schools. In the Rig Veda, Brahman gives rise to the primordial being Hiranyagarbha that is equated with the creator God Brahmā. The trimurti can thus be considered a personification of hiranyagarbha as the active principle behind the phenomena of the universe. The seers who inspired the composition of the Upanisads asserted that the liberated soul (jivanmukta) has realized his identity with Brahman as his true self (see Atman (Hinduism)).
The word "Brahman" is derived from the verb brh (Sanskrit:to grow), and connotes greatness. The Mundaka Upanishad says:
Om- That supreme Brahman is infinite, and this conditioned Brahman is infinite. The infinite proceeds from infinite. Then through knowledge, realizing the infinitude of the infinite, it remains as infinite alone."
Conceptualization
The Supreme Cosmic Spirit or Absolute Reality called Brahman (not to be confused with the creator God Brahmā) is said to be eternal, genderless, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and ultimately indescribable in human language. The sage-seers of the Upanishads had fully realised Brahman as the reality behind their own being and of everything else in this universe. They were thus Brahmins in the true sense of the word. These rishis described Brahman as infinite Being, infinite Consciousness and infinite Bliss (satcitananda). Brahman is regarded as the source and essence of the material universe. In its purest reality it is unmanifest (Nirguna Brahman) and thus beyond being and non-being. The Rig Veda records that in its initial manifestation (Saguna Brahman) as pure primordial Being Brahman is Hiranyagarbha (lit. golden womb), a fertile substrate (which Radhakrishnan calls the 'world-soul') out of which all worlds, organisms and even Gods and other divine beings (devas) arise:
"Great indeed are the devas who have sprung out of Brahman." — Atharva Veda
Nirguna Brahman corresponds to the concept of 'Godhead' and Saguna Brahman to God as the Primordial Being.
It is said that Brahman cannot be known by material means, that we cannot be made conscious of it, because Brahman is our very consciousness. Brahman is also not restricted to the usual dimensional perspectives of being, and thus enlightenment, moksha, yoga, samadhi, nirvana, etc. do not merely mean to know Brahman, but to realise one's 'brahman-hood', to actually realise that one is and always was of Brahman nature (similar or identical with the Mahayana concept of Buddha Nature). Indeed, closely related to the Self concept of Brahman is the idea that it is synonymous with jiva-atma, or individual souls, our atman (or soul) being readily identifiable with the greater soul (paramatma) of Brahman.
Generally, Vedanta rejects the notion of an evolving Brahman since Brahman contains within it the potentiality and archetypes behind all possible manifest phenomenal forms. The Vedas, though they are in some respects historically conditioned are considered by Hindus to convey a knowledge[1] eternal, timeless and always contemporaneous with Brahman. This knowledge is considered to have been handed down by realised yogins to students many generations before the vedas were committed to writing. Written texts of the Vedas are a relatively recent phenomenon.
Connected with the ritual of pre-Vedantic Hinduism, Brahman signified the power to grow, the expansive and self-altering process of ritual and sacrifice, often visually realised in the sputtering of flames as they received the all important ghee (clarified butter) and rose in concert with the mantras of the Vedas. Brahmin came to refer to the highest of the four castes, the Brahmins, who by virtue of their purity and priesthood are held to have such powers.
It is the first instance of monism in organized religion. Hinduism remains the only religion with this concept.[original research?] To call this concept 'God' would be imprecise. The closest interpretation of the term can be found in the Taittariya Upanishad (II.1) where Brahman is described in the following manner: satyam jnanam anantam brahman - "Brahman is of the nature of truth, knowledge and infinity". Thus, Brahman is the origin and end of all things, material or otherwise. Brahman is the root source and Divine Ground of everything that exists, and does not exist in Hinduism. It is defined as unknowable and Satchitananda (Truth-Consciousness-Bliss). Since it is eternal and infinite, it comprises the only truth. The goal of Hinduism, through the various yogas, is to realize that the soul (Atman) is actually nothing but Brahman. The Hindu pantheon of gods is said, in the Vedas and Upanishads, to be only higher manifestations of Brahman. For this reason, "ekam sat" (all is one), and all is Brahman. This explains the Hindu view that "All paths lead to the one Brahman, though many sages [and religions] call him different things."
Several mahā-vākyas, or great sayings, indicate what the principle of Brahman is:
prajnānam brahma[2] "Brahman is knowledge"
ayam ātmā brahma[3] "The Self (or the Soul) is Brahman "
aham brahmāsmi[4] "I am Brahman"
tat tvam asi[5] "Thou are that"
sarvam khalv idam brahma[6] "All this that we see in the world is Brahman",
sachchidānanda brahma[7][8] "Brahman is existence, consciousness, and bliss".
Another way to describe Brahman, as mentioned in the Brihadaranyaka Upanisad, is to say, "Brahman is not this.. Brahman is not that.." Until everything in the infinite universe has been eliminated and only Brahman remains -- implying that indeed Brahman in infinite set universes is the empty set. This is often paraphrased as "everything is true of the elements of the empty set." Thus all and none in one that is not but still is everywhere and nowhere in particular.
In terms of astronomical or quantum universes it is referred to as Vacuum -- ever present surrounding all, always within you as it is without you."
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 7:03 AMAn excellent lecture, but it doesn't disprove the idea that there is no god. Conceptually speaking, describing spirituality as a "oneness" sounds more like quantum physics to me than religion. Thinking of the universe as three dimensional space surrounded by an unknown vacuum is still science.
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