Good question.
The idea of practice seems to imply there is some thing that can be done, someone to do it and possibly a "better/worse" way.
I don't see it that way IN REALITY, though in the dreamstate it appears that way. How odd! But, this is why I do not "teach" a technique. I express my experience and disciveries and encourage others to look inside. All answers are there:
Who Am I, What is the nature of perception, what do I beleive and is it provable. How do I know? How do I know I know. what do I know FOR SURE.

If one TRULY gets what ND ultimately points to, then no, there is no practice, no one to do the practice and nothing to be attained. There is no separate self. indeed, there is no self. The self is a convenient mental abastraction that has no location, cannot be found.
Or can it? LOL Don't take my word for it - or anyone else's! Go find out for yourself (to your point/question.....we are right back where we started there is the appearance of seeking....)


I think some people here (and elsewhere) think awakening is a "practical skill" - like fixing a truck or doing surgery - and a rational, logical, scientific appraich is better then something else. Who really knows or can say for sure. Talk is cheap.

And, maybe this gets to the ND/D split - once the illusion is seen through the apparent spilt is healed and one never has an issue with negotiating between the levels again. When I see people getting "stuck" at a level or meaning or concept, or practice, I think it is because the egoic ND/D split has not been resolved - they have not really had the persepctive shift. But, This is all BS, of course ;-)

>>What if the truth is available freely, right now?
Within the context of the question ( and I would suggest looking at the assuptions needed to form the question - these define/constrain the form of the answer) I see the truth is ALWAYS here. How can it NOT be? So, I see "the search" as letting go of/learning to ignore the distractions we create for ourselves to avoid seeing the truth - amnesia, intentional ignorance, willing suspension of disbelief - call it what you will. Either by (apparent) practice of self-inquiry or suddenly, the truth is noticed and one cannot remain ignorant any longer. Its subtle touch, the footprints in the snow, are there forever more.
So, it is a not a process of adding, it is taking away - belief, concept, story, distraction.
It's like you are driving around in your car looking feverishly for who is driving you car and people keep telling you - It's YOU and you don't/won't believe them and keep going.
Oh! And the seeking is not a "choice"Of course - one seeks until one stops seeking:
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So, the ONE appears to itself saying it wants (a practice) to awaken and says to itself there is no practice and no one to awaken. Makes one's head spin. Which,IMHO is the point! I think one must go a little "crazy" ...

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Good question, I think practice can be relavant at some level, it also depends of what you mean by practice. If we use practice to attain a certain goal in the future, to be more complete I think that might be an illusion and therefore a lie, if we call it that :)

If we are able to forget the result of the practice and if we are practicing to be here and now, doing exactly what we are doing, it can be any of the daily stuff as it might be meditation or sth like that, I think that is helpfull.

If we practice the now, then we will perhaps realize that we are complete here and now and don´t need any practice.

Peaza!

sounds like your dealing with a deeper question here .."What if everything is a lie?" cose isn't everything a practise of some sorts.
But there is no lie or truth that you can benefit from. Just like talking is practise and dreaming or driking coffe and thinking about things you have to do and dealing with that - it's just being a being.

example:
Calling something practise and beLIEving it to be so and investing into it IS being drapped cose there is no such thing. Shareing this with others, asking a questions about it and loosing a control over your "understanding" of "practise" and it changes into formless subjective idea that means nothing.

Lie and false ego are of the devil. The rare illuminated and the simple, howewver, retained or resurfaced the original human mind.

i would not call it a lie...
i waould call it a series of excersises designed to get the student to the point where they are no longer a buddhist...
the Masters job is to get you to the poin to where you can 'enlighten' yourself.
YOu are trained and taught until your worldview changes, then you say, i just changed my world view, how is this world view any more true thne the old one...
at this point at least for me i stopped being a Buddhist, because in order to get to the place i already was i had to let go of that worldview too.
in the end you have to drop everything, everything including your masters teachings...
then it gets interesting, very interesting
k

but the "practice" should, although we can`t seem to allow it to be so, be easier than falling off of the proverbial bicycle. we seek the ground of all things, the no-thing that is the becoming of all things.if you would look carefully you will see that the real you is the same no-thing seeking itself. so the more that you don`t identify with is exactly how it has to be until you id with non of it. you are the no - thing simply enjoying being all that it can be, the immortal wearing a mortal skin. you`ll get it, an eye without the use of a mirror cannot see itself, all of creation is that mirror